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	<title>Comments on: A SERIOUS treatment of LDS Disciplinary Councils!</title>
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		<title>By: Steven Danderson</title>
		<link>http://www.fairblog.org/2009/05/08/a-serious-treatment-of-lds-disciplinary-councils/comment-page-1/#comment-26213</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Danderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Vader!

EVERYBODY has biases.  The question is whether one can portray others fairly in spite of them.  Frankly, that goes for anti-Mormons, as well as Latter-day Saints.

One reason, I think, for the negative bent on our Strengthening the Members Committee is that there is not much about it.  Even if they speak with President Monson several times per day, they DON&#039;T normally interact with any of us in the Ward and Branch level--not even with leadership (I had been a Branch Clerk and a Ward Clerk for several years each, and served as a counselor on a Bishopric and two Branch Presidencies since that committee was formed.).  Even at the Stake level (I am presently Assistant Stake Clerk), I have never heard that committee mentioned at any Stake Presidency meeting or in any Stake PEC, Welfare, or High Council meeting.  Frankly, unless there were something major, like a mass apostasy brewing, I doubt that the committee would directly involved at all.

I think that, since there isn&#039;t much done by the Strengthening the Members Committee that directly concerns any of us, we don&#039;t hear much about it.  But its existence, I suppose, makes great fodder for &quot;bogey man&quot; stories told by enemies of the Church.

Any fair-minded, neutral person should try to get as much information as he or she can.  The fact that most of it is by anti-Mormons--which cannot be completely refuted--would tend to give a negative bent.

Maybe we at FAIR and FARMS should get on the ball!  ;)

Do I make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vader!</p>
<p>EVERYBODY has biases.  The question is whether one can portray others fairly in spite of them.  Frankly, that goes for anti-Mormons, as well as Latter-day Saints.</p>
<p>One reason, I think, for the negative bent on our Strengthening the Members Committee is that there is not much about it.  Even if they speak with President Monson several times per day, they DON&#8217;T normally interact with any of us in the Ward and Branch level&#8211;not even with leadership (I had been a Branch Clerk and a Ward Clerk for several years each, and served as a counselor on a Bishopric and two Branch Presidencies since that committee was formed.).  Even at the Stake level (I am presently Assistant Stake Clerk), I have never heard that committee mentioned at any Stake Presidency meeting or in any Stake PEC, Welfare, or High Council meeting.  Frankly, unless there were something major, like a mass apostasy brewing, I doubt that the committee would directly involved at all.</p>
<p>I think that, since there isn&#8217;t much done by the Strengthening the Members Committee that directly concerns any of us, we don&#8217;t hear much about it.  But its existence, I suppose, makes great fodder for &#8220;bogey man&#8221; stories told by enemies of the Church.</p>
<p>Any fair-minded, neutral person should try to get as much information as he or she can.  The fact that most of it is by anti-Mormons&#8211;which cannot be completely refuted&#8211;would tend to give a negative bent.</p>
<p>Maybe we at FAIR and FARMS should get on the ball!  <img src='http://www.fairblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Do I make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Vader</title>
		<link>http://www.fairblog.org/2009/05/08/a-serious-treatment-of-lds-disciplinary-councils/comment-page-1/#comment-25503</link>
		<dc:creator>Vader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;d have to agree that the article is well-researched and thoughtful. It&#039;s a nice start. 

But I also have to agree that the author is a bit too credulous of the idea that the Strengthening the Members committee is some kind of Gestapo. He appears not to know that it is a fundamental principle of secret police organizations that the existence of the organization must be widely know for it to be effective. The article itself acknowledges that few members have even heard of the Strengthen the Membership committee.

Some small details are wrong. I find it disquieting that they are usually wrong in a direction unflattering to the Church.

I see it as a good scholarly article, written in good faith, by someone attempting to set aside his prejudices (but he does have them.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;d have to agree that the article is well-researched and thoughtful. It&#8217;s a nice start. </p>
<p>But I also have to agree that the author is a bit too credulous of the idea that the Strengthening the Members committee is some kind of Gestapo. He appears not to know that it is a fundamental principle of secret police organizations that the existence of the organization must be widely know for it to be effective. The article itself acknowledges that few members have even heard of the Strengthen the Membership committee.</p>
<p>Some small details are wrong. I find it disquieting that they are usually wrong in a direction unflattering to the Church.</p>
<p>I see it as a good scholarly article, written in good faith, by someone attempting to set aside his prejudices (but he does have them.)</p>
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		<title>By: FredJouldd</title>
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		<dc:creator>FredJouldd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 19:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, good article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, good article.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.fairblog.org/2009/05/08/a-serious-treatment-of-lds-disciplinary-councils/comment-page-1/#comment-22409</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 20:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, nice posts there :-) thank&#039;s for the interesting information</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, nice posts there <img src='http://www.fairblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  thank&#8217;s for the interesting information</p>
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		<title>By: NOYDMB</title>
		<link>http://www.fairblog.org/2009/05/08/a-serious-treatment-of-lds-disciplinary-councils/comment-page-1/#comment-21385</link>
		<dc:creator>NOYDMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 02:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good reference.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strengthening_Church_Members_Committee&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; wiki &lt;/a&gt;.
The links in the article that was originally posted are broken.  Wiki is a far better resource, and actually includes web links for the articles.  Much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good reference.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strengthening_Church_Members_Committee" rel="nofollow"> wiki </a>.<br />
The links in the article that was originally posted are broken.  Wiki is a far better resource, and actually includes web links for the articles.  Much better.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.fairblog.org/2009/05/08/a-serious-treatment-of-lds-disciplinary-councils/comment-page-1/#comment-21348</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any references for what, NOYDMB? For the committee&#039;s existence? Sure, go check the footnotes in the article. Or references that the committee &quot;listens in on people’s phone calls and monitors everything an individual says&quot;? Since I never made such a claim, and don&#039;t believe such to be true, I don&#039;t feel the need to try and find any references to support such a claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any references for what, NOYDMB? For the committee&#8217;s existence? Sure, go check the footnotes in the article. Or references that the committee &#8220;listens in on people’s phone calls and monitors everything an individual says&#8221;? Since I never made such a claim, and don&#8217;t believe such to be true, I don&#8217;t feel the need to try and find any references to support such a claim.</p>
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		<title>By: NOYDMB</title>
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		<dc:creator>NOYDMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 02:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Christopher.
Do you have any references or not?
Thanks,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Christopher.<br />
Do you have any references or not?<br />
Thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: Disciplinary councils as alternative legal structures &#171; LDS Law</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disciplinary councils as alternative legal structures &#171; LDS Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 20:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] councils as alternative legal&#160;structures 2009 May 12    by Peter R.   Last week Steven Danderson of FAIR Blog linked to a paper on the LDS Church&#8217;s disciplinary council system as an alternative legal [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] councils as alternative legal&nbsp;structures 2009 May 12    by Peter R.   Last week Steven Danderson of FAIR Blog linked to a paper on the LDS Church&#8217;s disciplinary council system as an alternative legal [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 05:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, thanks I guess. I am capable, though, of noticing when someone responds to a question I asked.

NOYDMB, I find your answer a bit defensive. Why such seeming hostility in answering my simple question? 

P.S. David, I don&#039;t need you to leave a comment pointing out when NOYDMB responds to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, thanks I guess. I am capable, though, of noticing when someone responds to a question I asked.</p>
<p>NOYDMB, I find your answer a bit defensive. Why such seeming hostility in answering my simple question? </p>
<p>P.S. David, I don&#8217;t need you to leave a comment pointing out when NOYDMB responds to me.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 03:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christopher,

It appears that None Of Your Dmn Business answered your question as to what about the committee is hearsay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher,</p>
<p>It appears that None Of Your Dmn Business answered your question as to what about the committee is hearsay.</p>
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