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	<title>Comments on: Biases everywhere&#8230;.</title>
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		<title>By: Steven Danderson</title>
		<link>http://www.fairblog.org/2008/02/16/biases-everywhere/#comment-888</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Danderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeremiah!

You make some good points worthy of comment:
"But militant evangelicals do claim that they are victims of persecution. So in that you don’t seem to be unlike them."

Indeed, they do, but that wasn't my point.  My point was that the militant Evangelicals deny that the LDS are being persecuted, while I categorically affirm that Evangelicals are.  In short, they don't acknowledge our pain, but I acknowledge theirs.

"You make a good case that the knock against megachurches and temples is wrong. But making some significant conclusion of persecution (beyond: some folks out there don’t like Mormons) on this basis seems hasty."

Perhaps, but very few of us would forego a gain of 10-25% in what is for most of us the biggest investment of our lives--especially with no strings attached. Something must explain why they would give up about a year's pay for the average American, and biases seem to do that.  After all, the US South chose to endure decades of economic backwardness rather than end their racist Jim Crow regime.

"I don’t think think that we’re uniquely or unusually hurt by this kind of dislike. Evangelicals even less."

You're right; we aren't uniquely hurt, which was one of my points.  Another is that, since we're all suffering, both Evangelical and LDS time would be better served trying to alleviate that suffering rather than damaging the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeremiah!</p>
<p>You make some good points worthy of comment:<br />
&#8220;But militant evangelicals do claim that they are victims of persecution. So in that you don’t seem to be unlike them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed, they do, but that wasn&#8217;t my point.  My point was that the militant Evangelicals deny that the LDS are being persecuted, while I categorically affirm that Evangelicals are.  In short, they don&#8217;t acknowledge our pain, but I acknowledge theirs.</p>
<p>&#8220;You make a good case that the knock against megachurches and temples is wrong. But making some significant conclusion of persecution (beyond: some folks out there don’t like Mormons) on this basis seems hasty.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps, but very few of us would forego a gain of 10-25% in what is for most of us the biggest investment of our lives&#8211;especially with no strings attached. Something must explain why they would give up about a year&#8217;s pay for the average American, and biases seem to do that.  After all, the US South chose to endure decades of economic backwardness rather than end their racist Jim Crow regime.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t think think that we’re uniquely or unusually hurt by this kind of dislike. Evangelicals even less.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right; we aren&#8217;t uniquely hurt, which was one of my points.  Another is that, since we&#8217;re all suffering, both Evangelical and LDS time would be better served trying to alleviate that suffering rather than damaging the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah J.</title>
		<link>http://www.fairblog.org/2008/02/16/biases-everywhere/#comment-885</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Unlike militant Evangelicals who claim that Latter-day Saints lie about being persecuted, I categorically affirm that Evangelicals are also victims of persecution"

But militant evangelicals do claim that they are victims of persecution.  So in that you don't seem to be unlike them.

You make a good case that the knock against megachurches and temples is wrong.  But making some significant conclusion of persecution (beyond: some folks out there don't like Mormons) on this basis seems hasty.  The whole reason that the property value claim is wrong is because in fact people don't mind so much living next to an LDS temple or megachurch!  Besides, being wrong isn't itself evidence of bad motive.  The plaintiffs could have been right or wrong about the effect on property values and still been or not been bigots, since not everyone who worries about the value of their home automatically knows about the evidence you've brought forward.

We live in a diverse society where we don't all like each others' tastes, beliefs, habits, etc.   And we're free to announce our complaints and work them into some form of lawsuit.  As a Mormon I don't think think that we're uniquely or unusually hurt by this kind of dislike.  Evangelicals even less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unlike militant Evangelicals who claim that Latter-day Saints lie about being persecuted, I categorically affirm that Evangelicals are also victims of persecution&#8221;</p>
<p>But militant evangelicals do claim that they are victims of persecution.  So in that you don&#8217;t seem to be unlike them.</p>
<p>You make a good case that the knock against megachurches and temples is wrong.  But making some significant conclusion of persecution (beyond: some folks out there don&#8217;t like Mormons) on this basis seems hasty.  The whole reason that the property value claim is wrong is because in fact people don&#8217;t mind so much living next to an LDS temple or megachurch!  Besides, being wrong isn&#8217;t itself evidence of bad motive.  The plaintiffs could have been right or wrong about the effect on property values and still been or not been bigots, since not everyone who worries about the value of their home automatically knows about the evidence you&#8217;ve brought forward.</p>
<p>We live in a diverse society where we don&#8217;t all like each others&#8217; tastes, beliefs, habits, etc.   And we&#8217;re free to announce our complaints and work them into some form of lawsuit.  As a Mormon I don&#8217;t think think that we&#8217;re uniquely or unusually hurt by this kind of dislike.  Evangelicals even less.</p>
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