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	<title>Comments on: Something about bigots&#8230;.</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.fairblog.org/2008/01/18/something-about-bigots/comment-page-1/#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

 You&#039;re probably right.  However, it&#039;s one thing to compare education levels, and it&#039;s another to mock or belittle a person because of their education or lack thereof.  Generally, however, that hasn&#039;t been a problem in politics.  The problem now is religion. &quot;Finn&quot; is running for Pastor-in-Chief while desperately trying to make it look like &lt;b&gt;Romney&lt;/b&gt; is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p> You&#8217;re probably right.  However, it&#8217;s one thing to compare education levels, and it&#8217;s another to mock or belittle a person because of their education or lack thereof.  Generally, however, that hasn&#8217;t been a problem in politics.  The problem now is religion. &#8220;Finn&#8221; is running for Pastor-in-Chief while desperately trying to make it look like <b>Romney</b> is.</p>
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		<title>By: john f.</title>
		<link>http://www.fairblog.org/2008/01/18/something-about-bigots/comment-page-1/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>john f.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, I&#039;m not so sure that education should be on your proscribed list.  I would think that we want our candidate to be sufficiently qualified, both in terms of education and experience.  A comparison of Huckabee and Romney with regard to education is revealing: 

Huckabee: BA in Biblical Studies, graduating magna cum laude from Ouachita Baptist University

Romney: 

- BA with Highest Honors from Brigham Young University (1971) (Romney began as an undergraduate at Stanford University and completed his first year there but transferred to BYU after his LDS mission to France)
 
- MBA from Harvard Business School (1975), where he was named a Baker Scholar;
 
- JD, cum laude, from Harvard Law School

This seems relevant to me, Andrew Miller, and is not in the same set as race, gender, or religion in assessing a candidate&#039;s qualifications and competence in running for President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, I&#8217;m not so sure that education should be on your proscribed list.  I would think that we want our candidate to be sufficiently qualified, both in terms of education and experience.  A comparison of Huckabee and Romney with regard to education is revealing: </p>
<p>Huckabee: BA in Biblical Studies, graduating magna cum laude from Ouachita Baptist University</p>
<p>Romney: </p>
<p>- BA with Highest Honors from Brigham Young University (1971) (Romney began as an undergraduate at Stanford University and completed his first year there but transferred to BYU after his LDS mission to France)</p>
<p>- MBA from Harvard Business School (1975), where he was named a Baker Scholar;</p>
<p>- JD, cum laude, from Harvard Law School</p>
<p>This seems relevant to me, Andrew Miller, and is not in the same set as race, gender, or religion in assessing a candidate&#8217;s qualifications and competence in running for President.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.fairblog.org/2008/01/18/something-about-bigots/comment-page-1/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd,

If Romney or Hillary or Obama or anyone else were critical of Huckabee for his religious faith, I&#039;d be just as annoyed.  I have no problem with evangelicals in public office.  I voted for Bush both times (and would again).  It&#039;s Mike Huckabee&#039;s bigotry and double-talk that is so problematic.

For a person to attack another&#039;s &lt;b&gt;political&lt;/b&gt; views is fair game in a political contest.  To attack them on the basis of their gender, race, religion, education, etc is another issue all together.  While political attacks get old, it is not bigotry (Even if some are dishonest).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd,</p>
<p>If Romney or Hillary or Obama or anyone else were critical of Huckabee for his religious faith, I&#8217;d be just as annoyed.  I have no problem with evangelicals in public office.  I voted for Bush both times (and would again).  It&#8217;s Mike Huckabee&#8217;s bigotry and double-talk that is so problematic.</p>
<p>For a person to attack another&#8217;s <b>political</b> views is fair game in a political contest.  To attack them on the basis of their gender, race, religion, education, etc is another issue all together.  While political attacks get old, it is not bigotry (Even if some are dishonest).</p>
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		<title>By: Seth R.</title>
		<link>http://www.fairblog.org/2008/01/18/something-about-bigots/comment-page-1/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd, Romney didn&#039;t attack anyone&#039;s faith (except arguably atheists). True, he attacked CANDIDATES, but not a group of believers. Nor am I aware of anything tying him to such efforts.

You just can&#039;t say the same thing about Huckabee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd, Romney didn&#8217;t attack anyone&#8217;s faith (except arguably atheists). True, he attacked CANDIDATES, but not a group of believers. Nor am I aware of anything tying him to such efforts.</p>
<p>You just can&#8217;t say the same thing about Huckabee.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.fairblog.org/2008/01/18/something-about-bigots/comment-page-1/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, did he apologize?

And by the end of this Presidential campaign, do you think every candidate should be apologizing?  Or is it exclusively to one group of religious people that there should be apologies?

To demolish bigotry is to in equal measure attack strongly every wrong by every candidate.  Right?

Lead the way, Andrew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, did he apologize?</p>
<p>And by the end of this Presidential campaign, do you think every candidate should be apologizing?  Or is it exclusively to one group of religious people that there should be apologies?</p>
<p>To demolish bigotry is to in equal measure attack strongly every wrong by every candidate.  Right?</p>
<p>Lead the way, Andrew.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.fairblog.org/2008/01/18/something-about-bigots/comment-page-1/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people are looking for a Pastor-in-Chief of the United Bigots of America.  I cannot, and will not, vote for &quot;Huckaberry Finn&quot; unless he publicly apologizes for his whisper anti-Mormon campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people are looking for a Pastor-in-Chief of the United Bigots of America.  I cannot, and will not, vote for &#8220;Huckaberry Finn&#8221; unless he publicly apologizes for his whisper anti-Mormon campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Danderson</title>
		<link>http://www.fairblog.org/2008/01/18/something-about-bigots/comment-page-1/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Danderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This comment is cross-posted at:  http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/saturday-discussion-on-mitt-romney/

Hi!

I authored one of FAIR&#039;s &quot;leading the charge about bigotry,&quot;  and I&#039;d like to set some things straight:

1.  For the record, I HAVE supported non-Mormons against good members of the Church--many times.  I agree that religious grouping is usually a poor reason to vote either for or against a candidate.
2.  Even though Utah is 70% LDS, inhabitants seem to have had no problem electing qualified non-Latter-day Saints (For example, Utah was the second state with a Jewish governor! Neighboring Idaho, with a large LDS population, was the first--by two years. See http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/Jewish%20Governor%20Political%20Items%201.htm and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Alexander.).
3.  On the other hand, in my home state of Florida, with inverted ratios of Evangelicals to the LDS, in the entire history of official LDS presence in the state, there was only ONE LDS who was ever elected to statewide office:  Paula Hawkins, who lost the next election to Robert Graham, a Baptist [See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Hawkins.].
4.  I have no problem with &quot;Finn&quot; using his Church&#039;s social network as a political base, or with his championing Evangelical Christians as a whole.  Evangelical Christians have been getting some bad press over the past several decades.  While their worst elements have no doubt deserved that bad press, the vast majority do not.  My problems with &quot;Finn&quot; began with his targeted appeals to those in the &quot;worst elements.&quot;  
5.  I am not categorically refusing to vote for &quot;Finn,&quot; but he will have to take some substantive steps to undo the harm he did over the last few months.  That, however, would cause massive problems with those less savory elements that &quot;Finn&quot; specifically appealed to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment is cross-posted at:  <a href="http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/saturday-discussion-on-mitt-romney/" rel="nofollow">http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2008/01/19/saturday-discussion-on-mitt-romney/</a></p>
<p>Hi!</p>
<p>I authored one of FAIR&#8217;s &#8220;leading the charge about bigotry,&#8221;  and I&#8217;d like to set some things straight:</p>
<p>1.  For the record, I HAVE supported non-Mormons against good members of the Church&#8211;many times.  I agree that religious grouping is usually a poor reason to vote either for or against a candidate.<br />
2.  Even though Utah is 70% LDS, inhabitants seem to have had no problem electing qualified non-Latter-day Saints (For example, Utah was the second state with a Jewish governor! Neighboring Idaho, with a large LDS population, was the first&#8211;by two years. See <a href="http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/Jewish%20Governor%20Political%20Items%201.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/Jewish%20Governor%20Political%20Items%201.htm</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Alexander" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Alexander</a>.).<br />
3.  On the other hand, in my home state of Florida, with inverted ratios of Evangelicals to the LDS, in the entire history of official LDS presence in the state, there was only ONE LDS who was ever elected to statewide office:  Paula Hawkins, who lost the next election to Robert Graham, a Baptist [See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Hawkins." rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Hawkins.</a>.<br />
4.  I have no problem with &#8220;Finn&#8221; using his Church&#8217;s social network as a political base, or with his championing Evangelical Christians as a whole.  Evangelical Christians have been getting some bad press over the past several decades.  While their worst elements have no doubt deserved that bad press, the vast majority do not.  My problems with &#8220;Finn&#8221; began with his targeted appeals to those in the &#8220;worst elements.&#8221;<br />
5.  I am not categorically refusing to vote for &#8220;Finn,&#8221; but he will have to take some substantive steps to undo the harm he did over the last few months.  That, however, would cause massive problems with those less savory elements that &#8220;Finn&#8221; specifically appealed to.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Finn&quot; has proven to be nothing but a liability for the Republicans.  He is the worst of both worlds, to extreme for non-evangelicals to trust and to economically liberal to even remotely think about voting for.

The guy has been spouting off a lot of the racial stuff before on Islam and Mexicans.  While Romney indulged on the immigration thing I am sure that &quot;Finn&quot; has been much worse.  

His positions are as suspect as one would imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Finn&#8221; has proven to be nothing but a liability for the Republicans.  He is the worst of both worlds, to extreme for non-evangelicals to trust and to economically liberal to even remotely think about voting for.</p>
<p>The guy has been spouting off a lot of the racial stuff before on Islam and Mexicans.  While Romney indulged on the immigration thing I am sure that &#8220;Finn&#8221; has been much worse.  </p>
<p>His positions are as suspect as one would imagine.</p>
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		<title>By: Saturday Discussion on Mitt Romney &#171; Heart Issues for LDS</title>
		<link>http://www.fairblog.org/2008/01/18/something-about-bigots/comment-page-1/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>Saturday Discussion on Mitt Romney &#171; Heart Issues for LDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] over here, FAIR is leading the charge about bigotry, here and here.  Yet to be honest, I think we all have religious bias.  Just imagine the scenario of a [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>Mitt Romney &#187; Something about bigots….</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 05:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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